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Does anyone out there in LJ land have experience in framing photos for serious exhibits like museum exhibits? I have a question.

Wander

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laurapalmer813
Jul. 14th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
What's your question? I might be able to answer.
wander
Jul. 14th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
OK, I've always been taught that for museum quality exhibitions you use white or slightly off-white matting with a simple metal frame. The Amateur show I just participated in had all sorts of framing schemes and the guy who judged only judged on the photos themselves and made no mention of the framing techniques. I've been accepted to a National Juried Exhibition and the rules clearly state "Museum quality matting and framing"

So do I got with off white mattes and a simple metal frame or do I go with more color complimentary matting and framing?

W
laurapalmer813
Jul. 14th, 2009 10:47 pm (UTC)
To be on the safe side, definitely go with white. I've put a lot of things into museum shows and I use white/black core mats. The rules have relaxed lately, but you never know for sure WHAT they mean, exactly, when they say "museum quality." They might be really old-school. I do use the ones with the black core because I really like it, and I don't think it takes away from the work (though some old school people might not like it!). However, I have never seen any other colors of mat other than white or maybe black in the museum shows I've been in.

And I only use black metal frames, but with frames I've seen everything! Some people make their own and they're really creative. But again, to be on the safe side I'd go with the simple aluminum frame. Easy and cheap!
wander
Jul. 14th, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
That confirms what I was thinking and I know the judge on this show is the owner of a fairly serious art gallery in Peoria which is the home of the Peoria Artist Guild so yeah I figure to play it safe. Thanks for the help!

Wander
betsycontent
Jul. 14th, 2009 11:00 pm (UTC)
i was assistant curator of a photographic museum in florida, and owned my own photographic gallery in laguna beach. i have also entered juried competitions. we always used pure white matting with silver metal frames.

Edited at 2009-07-14 11:02 pm (UTC)
wander
Jul. 15th, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
See this is why I always ask for important advice from LJ. so many great experts. Thank you kindly!

Wander
betsycontent
Jul. 15th, 2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
you're very welcome. neversremedy is my daughter. she sent me your original post. :)
wander
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:05 pm (UTC)
You have a wonderful daughter and grand daughter!

W
betsycontent
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
yes, i do. :)

thank you. :)
radiosilents
Jul. 15th, 2009 12:36 am (UTC)
Yep, I concur with what's been said! Have fun!
wander
Jul. 15th, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
Well it was a HUGE honor just being accepted past the initial 400+ entries so whatever happens, I've already had fun. That being said, winning is not a bad thing either.

Wander
virga_flame
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:44 pm (UTC)
Technically, "museum-quality" refers merely to the use of archival quality materials (acid-free papers and matboard, UV-proof glass or acetone, etc). For juried exhibits of standard silver gelatin photography, however, generally black aluminum frames and black, white or ivory matboard are considered appropriate. For other forms of art and photography, obviously, this is impossible. My gumoil and gum bichromate photographic prints, for example, are generally printed on odd surfaces (birch bark, oak boards, etc), or printed on watercolor paper and mounted on pressboard. The above sort of framing and matting would not only be inappropriate, it would be impossible.
wander
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I'm just looking at a single color photo 8 x 10 for this one. I usually do ivory matte and a black metal frame.

W
virga_flame
Jul. 16th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
The black aluminum frame is pretty essential in this sort of scenario, if you're going to frame either color or black and white photographic prints. As an artist, I hate this sort of criteria, but on the other hand the hanging surfaces are almost always of light color, so a dark frame serves to focus more attention on the print.

For color prints - I think this is your area - white matting seems to work best. For silver gelatin prints, I tend toward either white or black, depending upon how I wish it to interact with the print itself. To be honest, I don't like ivory matboard except for sepia-toned prints; It tends to yellow the white tones in both color prints and standard silver gelatin.
wander
Jul. 16th, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
Good advice. I've sold my photos in galleries before bu this is my first shot at more serious photographic pursuits.

Thanks,

W
virga_flame
Jul. 16th, 2009 02:38 am (UTC)
To gain favor in a juried show, you have to gain favor with a very small handful of people. To gain favor in a gallery that owes its existence to selling art, you have to gain the favor of a much wider segment of society. Tell me again which is the most serious endeavour.

If you endeavor to be a high-end artist, then perhaps juried exhibits are important. People with money pay others to tell them what their taste in art might be. But if your desire is to create art and to change lives with it... Well, the juried exhibits can help, but you'll have to turn your back on that crowd eventually.

I say this as both a creator and a buyer of art.

And I don't mean to demean your accomplishments at even being invited to such a competition. It's a rare feat, and it does take talent. It's the next step that's going to be a problem for someone real, like you.
wander
Jul. 16th, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
The juried show was just a step out of my normal circle. Considering the time and effort I put into getting 1 piece (and I don't think it was the best of the 6 I submitted) accepted, I think it would be better even from just a time perspective to do gallery shows which appeal to a broader audience. I've had 40 pieces accepted to do a single artist gallery showing for 2 months at the gallery of the August Hill Winery in Uttica, Il starting in January. I'm shopping myself around Norhern NM and Southern CO now too.

W
virga_flame
Jul. 16th, 2009 03:05 am (UTC)
Keep me posted on the New Mexico gallery openings, since we keep missing connections for everything else.
wander
Jul. 16th, 2009 03:11 am (UTC)
I'll be out August 10-16 by the way. My cousin Tracy owns the Blue Gallery in Cimarron and I have a friend in he canyon near Taos who is a serious painted and has part of a gallery in Taos. Those are first contacts.

W
virga_flame
Jul. 16th, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
That seems to be a time that, given the pattern of my mother's chemo treatments, I won't be away in Tucson. Do keep in mind that the girl who was first to ride horses for Philmont is no longer my lover, so I can't guarantee her presence (though if you really do want to meet her, she's still a good friend of mine and I'll relay word. You'd probably like her better than me, in any case).

Don't suppose you remember when's rodeo season up Cimarron and Clayton way? Hope and I are definitely interested...?
wander
Jul. 16th, 2009 03:44 am (UTC)
I think you missed both of them by a week. Always over the 4th which is why I never make it back anymore. Anyway, I never knew your ex-lover. I always just wanted to meet you. I don't always get along with the Philmont Crowd even though I'm a member of the Staff association. I kind of screwed up there one too many times. When I go back now, it's for the older folks and the spirits of the country.

W
virga_flame
Jul. 16th, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)
In that case, you'd probably like Deva better than I. She pretty much had it hard, being the first woman in the ranch department. And while I don't know the Philmont crowd, I do tend to get along well with the traditionalists, even if I amn't one, myself.

Then again, here in New Mexico you're either an hispano, a mexican, an injun, an anglo, or one of those goddamn new age hippies. I know we're not your crowd , but I pretty much fit in with the hispanos, in spite of my celtic heritage. Or maybe because a few centuries ago, they were willing to shelter my ancestors.

In any case... You and Deva would like each other. A lot. I'd be disappointed if I couldn't finally get you two talkining, even if she and I are no longer lovers.


wander
Jul. 16th, 2009 04:50 am (UTC)
In any event, I've been trying to meet you for what 4 years now. So if it's possible, I'd like to. Hey, I've put up with your moods and off the wall comments for this long. heheh. I was the only Anglo in my neighborhood in Cimarron. I learned to fit in with just about anyone.

W
virga_flame
Jul. 16th, 2009 04:56 am (UTC)
I'd like a moment with you, but I'm serious, Deva's the one you need to meet. Can I try to make it happen?
wander
Jul. 16th, 2009 05:02 am (UTC)
Sure but we owe each other a fat tire and some story telling at the very least.

W
piscesdreams
Jul. 15th, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
I am another user of white matting and silver exhibition frames. Off white would likely be better because any whites in the photo will look "whiter".
wander
Jul. 15th, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
I think I'm going with Ivory for the matte. Kinda torn between silver and black frame. It's for the lightning photo.

W
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