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I think that if it were in BP's best financial interest to have that well plugged then they would have found a way to do it by now. Yes, it's a public relations disaster. But the reality is (as we should have learned by the failure of all the attempts to hurt one oil company or another by not buying their gas for a day) that a handful of oil companies own the rights to all the oil out there. So bad publicity or no, they are still making money from all of us. And they are still extracting some of that oil from which they will make profits. Granted, it might not be the preferred method of extracting it, but I have to think that sucking it out through a tube, has to be less costly than maintaining that oil drilling platform out in the middle of the ocean. I may be off base there. Just seems if the negative cost were high enough they would have found a solution by now. I've not heard them say anything about taking the profits from the oil they have collected and putting it toward the cleanup of the wetlands that oil will destroy.

Wander

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gairid
May. 24th, 2010 01:49 pm (UTC)
The cynical part of my brain immediately agrees with you in theory, but I think that they would have capped it if they could have by this time---for every gallon they're able to collect, there are surely thousands and thousand of gallons just spewing into the Gulf and that can't be good for profits considering that they are expected to somehow clean it all up.

I've not heard them say anything about taking the profits from the oil they have collected and putting it toward the cleanup of the wetlands that oil will destroy

And you never will. I'm betting that they will put more money into fighting having to pay for the damage the disaster continues to wreak than they will in just paying for the monster they and Transocean have created.

Big Oil is all about profit and little else; it was being penny-wise and pound foolish that caused the accident to begin with. In reading all that lead up to the rig explosion, it's clear that pinching pennies by scrimping on safety checks and having the correct equipment installed as well as being allowed by our own government to regulate themselves is the very thing that caused the disaster.



Edited at 2010-05-24 01:49 pm (UTC)
wander
May. 24th, 2010 02:37 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know I'm being cynical. But it will be interesting to see once it gets opened up to other interests finding a solution, how fast it gets fixed.

W
i
May. 24th, 2010 01:57 pm (UTC)
i heard that Rush Limbaugh is exactly the same size as the hole in the pipe.

just sayin'...
cinnamonbite
May. 24th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
I notice that no one is boycotting BP gas stations either. Not one person is saying anything about BP means BRITISH Petroleum. You think they care about our coastlines? For that matter, think anyone will care after a few weeks? Unless it directly effects them, people don't care.
wander
May. 24th, 2010 04:33 pm (UTC)
When the summer hurricanes get the oil airborn and it falls all over the place, more people will care. Of course by then it will be too late but at least they will care.
cinnamonbite
May. 24th, 2010 04:42 pm (UTC)
LOL, it'll just fall back on us again. Maybe if it falls on Disney, people will notice.
wander
May. 24th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
The Atlantic Hurricanes affect our weather up here as well so if it falls on you it will be falling pretty far inland as well.
cinnamonbite
May. 24th, 2010 07:27 pm (UTC)
Hey, we got an early little storm coming in right now, might be named, "Alex."
nayrene
May. 26th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
Actually boycott efforts are up around the country. BP brands include Castrol, Arco, Aral, am/pm, Amoco, and Wild Bean Cafe, Safeway
gas.
cinnamonbite
May. 26th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
Up around YOUR part of the country. Not a peep down here.
nayrene
May. 26th, 2010 08:23 pm (UTC)
So start one! :-)
cinnamonbite
May. 26th, 2010 10:14 pm (UTC)
Nobody cares. I don't understand it, maybe people are afraid that if they cut BP off, they won't be able to afford a clean-up or they simply don't care. Whatever it is, no one cares.
It's like Exxon. Their stocks are my best earner. They just keep going up. Doesn't matter what the economy is doing, big oil keeps on making money. Maybe we have a lot of old people down here who've seen this play out once already and know that it won't make any difference and they'll never lose one penny because if you're low on gas and BP is the only station near you, will you go ahead run out of gas then walk to the next gas station or stop at BP?
wander
May. 26th, 2010 10:20 pm (UTC)
BP doesn't just own the station, they own the refineries and the mineral rights and all of it. So if you don't buy from BP through one of their gas stations, you are probably still buying from BP going to another station.

W
cinnamonbite
May. 26th, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
I only shop at Mobile. Got that little gadget on my keychain so I can pretend it's all magic and I don't actually have to pay any money.
nayrene
May. 27th, 2010 05:13 am (UTC)
Well, I think at least ONE person cares -- YOU! And I bet you know at least three other people who care, as well. There are a lot of ways to take action on any issue, and you've already done one: you've read enough about the situation to realize you have an opinion, and it's not the one you think most people in your community have.

It seems to me that you have a lot of options for changing what you don't like about this situation, not the least of which are things that only cost you time: talk or write to your local, regional, state reps and senators, and Congressional representatives; start a PAC; set up a political lobby or protest or public forum or rally; hold fundraising events for the affected area; get in touch with the relief efforts organizations already working in the area and see what you can help with.

All of these things may feel like stupid, pointless, drop-in-the-bucket solutions. They're not. You are making your mark when you do things that you're proud of and support what you think.

As a side note, and this is only my opinion -- if you haven't dumped your Exxon stocks, you haven't made a crucial step in the direction of supporting what you care about -- sell their stock and send a letter (which you also publish and/or tell your friends about) to them explaining what you did and why.
nayrene
May. 26th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
And I also feel compelled to point out that our government ALLOWS them to drill here. And makes money from it. We're complicit.
wander
May. 26th, 2010 06:56 pm (UTC)
Yep and until gas goes above $4 or so we don't complain too much about where it comes from.

W
cinnamonbite
May. 26th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
So because the government does something, "we're complicit?" Uh no. Floridians have been trying to stop drilling in the gulf for years but our government is shoving it down our throats. At least NOW we can point and say, "Told ya so." There was one guy at the local newspaper who wrote an article saying that he was wrong to encourage drilling. He even reposted his original article (complete with suggestions on taking boats out to it and sunbathing on the deck) and said he was very mistaken. But he's the only one.

And 10 bucks says that this will not make one bit of difference on further drilling in the gulf. WE can't stop it from happening.
nayrene
May. 26th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
I was responding to what you said about BP being BRITISH, and therefore not concerned about America's coastlines. I used the wrong pronoun.

All Floridians haven't been trying to stop drilling the Gulf for years. Just some. I totally sympathize; it's quite a struggle, and the movements against drilling never have as much support or financial resources as the companies who want to drill.

I hope you're wrong about this incident making a difference on further drilling. I think it's already making a difference; consideration of drilling off California is now completely withdrawn. I hate the legacy of Bush's presidency for many reasons, but his allowances to oil companies is right up there among the top five.
wander
May. 26th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
Hey, we put the politicians in office and if we sit on our asses and do nothing to stop them from doing what they do then yes, we are complicit. We get the government we deserve. If we don't like the government we have then we can stop voluntarily paying their salary. And we could stop Gulf oil drilling by seriously getting behind alternative energy sources. No demand no supply. But we'd rather be lazy and take the easiest route. We could also just take a boat full of explosives out to the rigs and sink them all. But then we'd have bigger problems. Point is, we don't have to let things just happen. We just choose the easiest road.

W
auryn24
May. 25th, 2010 03:00 am (UTC)
We are so sad here. Seeing our wetlands getting lapped up by oil, our pelicans suffocating, our fishermen and shrimpers out of work and livelyhood. It's enough to make us cry when we watch the local news. We've been screaming for help for a month...no cigar.
wander
May. 25th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC)
And I hear BP is keeping everyone away from the area. My boss and I are thinking about coming down to shoot some footage. I feel for you.

W
nayrene
May. 26th, 2010 08:31 pm (UTC)
I am so sorry. Coastlines really seems to be trying to help, but it's terrible to KNOW something like that is coming. A buddy and I were talking earlier, I am afraid I just don't know what Obama can be thinking. Why isn't he down there in boots and a hat, helping? Or at the very least, publicly addressing this disaster? I also can't help thinking of Hurricane Katrina.
nayrene
May. 27th, 2010 05:17 am (UTC)
I have to revise my earlier post in light of what many friends pointed out earlier today -- this is NOT a natural disaster, it's a corporate malfeasance/negligence issue. And the media calling for some kind of response from Obama is ridiculous. Obama is doing the right thing, I now think, by letting BP handle it -- and it's horrible to do that, since they've fucked it all up -- and then holding BP responsible after the immediate danger is removed.
redsgoddes
May. 25th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC)
Umm...read what I just posted to my wall.
wander
May. 25th, 2010 04:58 am (UTC)
Many of the live feeds are down right now and no one is really sure what's going on with that.

W
redsgoddes
May. 30th, 2010 02:46 am (UTC)
It was a news link that stated the sea floor had collapsed and even more oil was coming out of it.
aditu
May. 25th, 2010 04:35 am (UTC)
Sigh it's just so disgusting and painful to think about. Such a disaster.
wander
May. 25th, 2010 05:00 am (UTC)
My boss is a fossil gatherer and said he often wonders what could kill some much life all at once to make the massive fossil beds he finds. Now he knows.

W
nayrene
May. 26th, 2010 06:26 pm (UTC)
I completely agree. If it was costing them more, they would have taken care of it. Was just reading about the cleanup efforts... depressing. They have to wait for the birds to get too tired to fly to capture them and clean them up. Nobody's going to be able to eat the food in the area for at least ten years.
wander
May. 26th, 2010 06:27 pm (UTC)
Nope. Forget about any seafood from the Gulf for awhile.

W
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