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Calling all psychics

Ok, you guys did so well on the ring thing, I have one more request. This is an ongoing thing that has puzzled me for a decade or more. My grandmother, Elizabeth Francis (Kinsey) Stivers passed away on July 29, 1993 in her home (currently the farm where I live on the weekends) near Rushville, IL. After the funeral an extensive search was made for her will which was never found. We even did public notices and contacted all her old attorneys and so on. Eventually her estate went to probate and my father and the rest of us eventually were named the legal heirs and inherited everything. But the location of or existence of her will remains a mystery. Several times when she was living, my Dad suggested strongly she remembe to put all her affairs in order and make out a will. Not for personal gain mind you but just because that's one of his things, making sure his own affairs are always in order. Each time he metnioned it, she always said everything was in order. Now this woman was very meticulous. She managed to save about every dime she ever made from selling eggs and cream and a modest salary as a teacher and a painter. She invested and managed to amass a small fortune she lived on for 86 years while paying property taxes and the other expenses of a working farm and left no debts on her passing. So it's hard to beleive she never had a will. My theory has always been that some of her nieces and nephews upon reading her will and finding out they got nothing, had it destroyed.

So my question to all of you is, do you feel there was/is a will and if so, does it still exist somewhere I might take a look at it.

Wander

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twistedcat
Jan. 20th, 2004 11:43 am (UTC)
what i get is
behind a small framed wall thing, like a painting or a photo. small, like less than a foot sq. it at one point hung in her bedroom. handwritten. she meant to tell someone. behind the backing.

she also says it doesn't really matter much now, so wht trouble yourself over it.
wander
Jan. 20th, 2004 11:51 am (UTC)
Re: what i get is
Thanks, I got something similar from another psychic a few years back that had me going through all her old school books and looking through old papers. She painted a lot and I have many of her paintings still hanging in the house so it might still be there. The size narrows it down. ANd I think she knew that some of the extended family were only coming to see her to make sure they got something after she passed so maybe that's why she put it there.

No, it doesn't matter anymore, not really. It's just curiosity on my parts, and my mother. My dad doesn't care I don't think. And now that the probate court said my dad was the true heir, it would not change a thing. Still, just for my own peace of mind, I'd like to see what she intended to have happen. Evertime we have a reunion for that exended family (my family never knew them growing up) someone will remark about how they were SUPPOSED to get the farm or this or that instead of the way it turned out so it would just be nice to know.

Thanks so much!

Wander
twistedcat
Jan. 21st, 2004 01:20 am (UTC)
narrowing it down
definitely square, and the frame is wider than it needs to be, like it's part of the piece almost. the frame to me looks like it's weathered wood. part of a barn?
wander
Jan. 21st, 2004 06:58 am (UTC)
Re: narrowing it down
I talked to my mom yesterday. When everything was divided up, they left some of the paintings at the farm, gave some to my dad's adopted sister who lives 35 miles away and took some of them home to NC. She said they'd had all the ones they took home re-framed and re-backed and found nothing when they did that. So it's either at the farm house or at my Aunt Peggy's and she would not mind me looking there. Do you get a sense of what the painting is of? She painted mostly landscapes, florals and still lifes and I suppose I've got a dozen or more of them at the farm right now.

You have been so much help. I owe you big!

Wander

twistedcat
Jan. 21st, 2004 09:32 am (UTC)
Re: narrowing it down
i'm only 50% sure on what i'm getting, so..

if i trust my gut...

it's a landscape, with a tall (pine?) tree to the right (if you're looking at it) with some kind of building... it's from far off, i think... the colors are a bit off, like it's at sunset or something... she really liked how the sky came out.

i am going to say it's at the farm still.
wander
Jan. 21st, 2004 09:47 am (UTC)
Re: narrowing it down
Cool! Well I should be able to tell you something in a day or so then. That does narrow it down considerably. She was very good with colors. I almost wish I could give you a tour but maybe I can video tape it or take some digitals to show you.

Can I do something for you in return? Need any stones or can I send you some home canned goodness?

Wander
twistedcat
Jan. 21st, 2004 09:52 am (UTC)
Re: narrowing it down
i have more stones than i know what to do with still...

if you felt inclined, and had the wherewithall, you could work with me to put together some sort of event out by you where i come and do a channeling circle or group healings or something...

or you can just owe me ;-) *giggle*

mostly i'm curious to know if my information is right...
wander
Jan. 21st, 2004 10:07 am (UTC)
Re: narrowing it down
Well we will know in a day or so. I will check into what we can do about an event though and I will owe you. The place I live down at the farm, i wouldn't say is spiritually dead but it is very Christian you know. There are a good number of spiritually gifted people around but I'm not sure they could manage getting the money together to put on an event. Now in Peoria where I am during the week, it's a city so well, it might be more possible. I'll see what I can see.

Something just came to me. You described barnwood. My Aunt Peggy who has some of the paintings also lives on a farm. And her kitchen has this barnwood sort of panneling in it so that may be a factor in what you are seeing as well.

Wander
wander
Jan. 20th, 2004 12:10 pm (UTC)
Re: what i get is
After the estate was settled and we were meeting with the attorneys to figure out what needed to be done, my dad said "She always said she had everything taken care of that she made sure everyone would get what they were supposed to have, I guess thsi is what she meant." See she made sure my dad was listed on all the financial papers as her son and my brother and I as grandsons. So if that was what she intended, that is what happened. But she came from an era that at one point, people had no faith in banks so they made what they called fence post banks and put all their money in a jar or coffee can and buried it under a fence post. Many is the treasure hunter out here who has found a whole coffee can of Mercury dimes buried under a post on an old farm. So it really would not surprise me that she would do something like that. After the probate was settled, my dad let people come in and take items they felt they should have gotten and the extended family made it obvios the ywere unhappy with the way things turned out, they took light fixtures and etc..just everything that was not nailed down. You know when you read a book and wonder what the author meant by a certain passage? So you go searching around to see if he ever wrote something else about it. It's kind of that way with this will thing.

Wander
redsgoddes
Jan. 20th, 2004 01:45 pm (UTC)
Re: what i get is
My family is split because of something like this. My father's father (I never knew him, died before my time), his family had a sort of a war over his possessions. Same thing, no one knew what happened to his will. My father and his brother got next to nothing, it all went to my grandfather's many siblings I don't even know..including his house. Then my father's half sister (they had the same mother, different fathers) walked away with his mother's belongings.

My father and his half sister, my Aunt Deb, didn't speak for years until the night before he died when they ran into each other by accident. They finally made peace, then he died the next day. As for the rest of the family, his fathers siblings, he never spoke to any of them again. I have a whole slew of relatives I've never met or spoken to. I wouldn't know them if I fell over them.

It's sad.

I'm glad things were different for your dad and you got what was rightfully yours.
wander
Jan. 20th, 2004 02:04 pm (UTC)
Re: what i get is
With us we were never concerned about rightfully ours. W just really wanted to see her wishes carreid out more than anything. She hid the fact of my father's birth from her family for 55 years. By the time of her death, she was the only living member of her immediate family except my dad. All therest are nieces and nephews and cousins and so forth. At first glance, one would think it was maybe because she was ashamed of my dad and didn't want her family to think bad of her. But the more i learn of the extended family, now that she has passed on, I think it was because she was embarrassed to be associated with them and wanted to shield my dad and his kids from them. I hate to judge people but a lot of these folks are bitter old concieted, pety people who have nothing better to dothan sit around and covet what they don't have. Instead of talking about the dead kindly, they prefer to tell me things like grandma never really liked this house (so why did she live here from 1932-1993?) and thus and so were promised the house or the farm etc. Someone (family most likely) even came and stole the old grinding wheel and dinner bell from the barnyard. Not a lot of love lost between me and them, can you tell?

Wander
redsgoddes
Jan. 20th, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC)
Re: what i get is
Yeah I can tell. I never cared about things considered "rightfully" whoever's either. Apparently those that came before me did though, and that is sad.

You are a wonderful person and deserve it all.
wander
Jan. 20th, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC)
Re: what i get is
Thanks love!
jezabel_pheonix
Jan. 20th, 2004 11:48 am (UTC)
Your suspicions maybe right unfourtunately, greed has a way of bringing out the worst in people. Hugs*
wander
Jan. 20th, 2004 11:54 am (UTC)
In the case of this whole situation it definitely did. I'm fortunate in the fact that I don't have to deal with these people much at all. Many of them don't like me and that's fine by me. Life goes on. I don't try to throw the fat my family got everything in anyone's face but they still seem to hold it against me probably because I'm the one here and not anyone else from my immediate family.

Thanks,

Wander
jezabel_pheonix
Jan. 20th, 2004 02:04 pm (UTC)
But you're a wonderful man and deserve it.:)
wander
Jan. 20th, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC)
The things that make me happiest are 1) having someplace I can always call home and 2) Living in a house that holds such history for our family. It really gives me a sense of belonging. Of fitting in to something greater you know? Not only my grandmother lived and died here but my grandfather whom I never met, grandmother's father and mother and all 8 of her brother's and sisters. At least 6 of the whole clan passed away in that house as well and their spirits still grace us with their presence from time to time.

Wander
jezabel_pheonix
Jan. 20th, 2004 02:20 pm (UTC)
I am the same way, I understand.^_^
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