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What about the Shellfish?

Well the PETA folks were protesting our KFC the other morning saying chickens were being raised and killed inhumanely. So my question is, if you raise and kill them humanely, they still end up dead right? This makes me wonder when PETA is going to stand up for all the shellfish out there. I mean pretty much the gold standard of freshness for crabs, lobster, oysters, clams or scallops is that they are alive when you toss them in a pot of scalding water and watch their shells turn that pretty red color. And shrimp, you throw them on ice and freeze them to death, then pop the heads off with your fingers. In fact for most shellfish, if they are dead when you get them home, you throw them away rather than cook them. So where are the animal rights activists for the shellfish? Is our compassion for another species measured by how loud they scream when we killor abuse them? I'm waiting for PETA to come to the defense of all the earthworms I yank unceremoniously out of the ground every year, stab with a fish hook and use for bait. Can't hear them scream at all. So I guess they don't count. And fish taste best when you clean them while still alive as well.

Sorry but I still have fond memories of catching dozens of blue crabs on fatty chicken necks and taking them home to toss in steaming cauldrons of water and disecting their carcasses to dip the tender meat in butter and eat. Nutin better ever.

Wander

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i
Jan. 5th, 2005 10:44 am (UTC)
lobsters scream when you cook them. that used to give me the willies, but i ate them anyway :)
sueg
Jan. 5th, 2005 10:58 am (UTC)
That's the sound of rapidly expanding air being forced out of their shells, not an actual vocalized scream... although they do try to escape the pot.

PETA actually does have a page that they run about lobsters and disapproves of the whole cooking-while-alive thing.
http://www.lobsterlib.com/fascinating.html
You might find some of the information a bit questionable, i.e. "Lobsters have sophisticated nervous systems"...

I think the factory farming focus is a legitimate one in that it points out that even if one is not opposed to eating meat, there is a question about the ethics of factory farming, which can make the entire life of an animal miserable.

I wish I could afford to only eat organic free-range or wild-hunted meat, myself. And it's probably not totally honest of me to say that I can't afford it, since I could eat vegetarian most of the time and supplement with the occasional pricey organic meats. I don't think eating meat is wrong, but I think treating animals cruelly is wrong, and I think a lot of factory farms are unnecessarily cruel. However, that's the most profitable way to run a farm and I am not foolish to believe it will stop anytime soon, or that it would even be economically or logistically possible for everyone to switch right over to organic, free-range meats.

In conclusion, lobster steamed alive in seawater and dipped in butter is freakin delicious.
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cuddles
Jan. 5th, 2005 11:05 am (UTC)
And what of the plight of the BILLIONS of defenseless bacteria I slaughter every time I blow my nose, wipe my ass, or clean my hands? Are they to be ignored simply because they're too tiny? When will the senseless genocide of helpless bacteria cease?

We're killers. Plain and simple. It's who we are and what we do.

Later

Cuddles
carocrow
Jan. 5th, 2005 03:44 pm (UTC)
Amen, brother. Preach it.
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ryl
Jan. 5th, 2005 07:33 pm (UTC)
And what about the viruses? Won't somebody PLEASE think of the viruses?
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didymos
Jan. 5th, 2005 11:11 am (UTC)
So the question becomes, why were they protesting in front of you, rather in front of the farms where the chickens are raised and slaughtered? I mean, from what I've seen, you're a pretty humane eater. No teasing or torturing of the food. Down it goes. The End.
wander
Jan. 6th, 2005 02:05 pm (UTC)
We all know the answer to this of course. It's because KFC is a hell of a lot more public than some factory farm in the middle of BFE.

I occasionally eat fast food. More often than not though, I eat meat from a small country butcher who slaughters his own from a small family owned herd of non-chemically changed animals who pretty much spend much of their lives as pets. Either that or I eat wild game.

Wander
lauramander
Jan. 5th, 2005 12:27 pm (UTC)
I have seen lots of activists for those, stickers that say "Ouch! Bioling hurts!" and a cute cartoon lobster.

Heh. I'm a vegatarian. I figure if i don't have the balls to go out and hunt it, kill it, skin it, then I shouldn't be eating it, and I won't even go fishing. Baiting a hook squicks me out!
wander
Jan. 6th, 2005 02:09 pm (UTC)
Think of all those little life forms you kill everytime you do a veggie stir fry though, or even just eating raw veggies. All the embryos and micro-organisms. I don't think there is a truly such a thing as a vegetarian or a vegan. I do have he balls to hunt animals and all that, I just chose not to for the present time but that's another story altogether.

Wander
jelly_fish
Jan. 5th, 2005 12:57 pm (UTC)
Actually
PETA does stand up for and defend shellfish as well as the worm you put on a hook. PETA doesn't even approve of catch and release fishing as they say it is "traumatic" to the fish.
I agree they go too far with some of their ideas.
But, I also think all animals should be treated humanely. Atleast, until we tear into their flesh with our teeth!


angel_one
Jan. 5th, 2005 04:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Actually
OKay that was pretty much my point too.

I agree that animals we raise for food should ideally be raised and killed in "humane" manners, if we are going to be killing them at all. If I had the budget and the willpower I would be vegan, but for about a million different reasons, not just because "meat is murder". I had PETA send me some info pamphlet back when I WAS vegan (lasted about 6 months) and the two things that got to me were how beekeeping is inhumane and that the sound of a pump stresses out your aquarium fish. To which I say "Yeah, but only for about 3 seconds, and then they forget."

Where's my line? Hmm.. I guess it depends on how developed the creatures nervous systems are. Do they feel pain? If they are capable of feeling pain, I believe it best to minimize that pain. I also think that in general, we should all eat a LOT less meat, even if everyone doesn't become vegan.

For the record, I am completely against the eating of lobster and have never touched it in my life, even when I was out at sea and the cook made lobster 2 out of 3 meals every day for a couple weeks. My reasons behind that are that lobsters are 7-8 years old before they start to reproduce, yet we catch them at 3 years old and call it "legal size". The species simply does not reproduce fast enough to keep up with us, and we don't even give them a chance to.

I am also pretty gung ho about Salmon and Killerwhales too, but that's enough of that.
wander
Jan. 6th, 2005 02:11 pm (UTC)
Re: Actually
Hehehe love the last line. I don't agree with catch and release either. And most fisherman who eat fish, I don't think do either. If I'm going to hunt or fish, it's for the sole purpose of providing me with food.

Wander
carocrow
Jan. 5th, 2005 03:43 pm (UTC)
It all has to do with how cute things are. Insects and crustaceans are not as attractive as bunnies and chickies.

I love what someone told me the other day, that a lama said once, "cows just scream louder than cauliflower". Hahaha...
ryl
Jan. 5th, 2005 07:35 pm (UTC)
Exactly. You can't cuddle a lobster or a clam. Well, you could but they don't react like bunnies and lambies and chickies and duckies and they're kind of cold and hard.

And what about wasps and hornets? You don't see PETA holding protests in front of stores selling Raid. I frickin hate wasps and hornets. I've been known to spray them until their wings are coated and they fall down twitching. PETA has yet to stop me.
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wander
Jan. 6th, 2005 02:12 pm (UTC)
Imagine all the protests if we ever learn how to understand the language of the plants we eat and how they feel about being eaten.

Wander
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