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Does anyone have recommendations for a good camera to record digital video. Not really looking for a point and shoot camera that will also do video. Something a little higher end. Doesn't have to be professional but a good consumer version would do. I've started a website project with a few other area people and friends elsewhere that will be based around giving in depth information on the local music scene. We want to do performance videos of all the local bands and hand holding my old point and shoot just isn't cutting it. I've never really gotten into video as anything but a hobby but now I'm needing something a little better.

Suggetions?

Thanks,

Wander

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piscesdreams
Nov. 17th, 2009 07:35 pm (UTC)
Of course, you get the best quality from an actual video camera. The cost of getting a camera that can also produce good quality video and the high capacity memory cards for it can cost a lot. Currently, the best digital DSLR for the job is probably the new Canon 7D which costs about $2300 for the body and the kit lens.

The Canon Rebel T1i does HD video as well but apparently not as good:
"The term Full HD has become synonymous with 1080p resolution. While the Canon Rebel T1i can capture 1080p resolution video, it does so at 20 frames per second, which makes for some not-so-smooth video. The 20 fps frame rate is particularly troubling when panning.

The good thing is that you can easily change the resolution to a more practical 720p resolution, which rolls smoothly at 30 fps. The overall quality of 720p video will still blow you away. Finally, you have the option of shoot at standard VGA resolution of 640×480.

Recording time is limited by memory capacity. 4GB is the magic number in the T1i. If you are recording a single file that reaches the 4GB file size mark, then the camera will automatically stop recording. If you have a larger card in the camera, you can simply hit record again to restart the recording.

A 4GB card offers the following approximate recording times:

1080p for 12 minutes
720p for 18 minutes
640×480 for 24 minutes
A 16GB cards nets the following approximate recording times:

1080p for 49 minutes
720p for 1 hour 13 minutes
640×480 for 1 hour 39 minutes"


From here.
wander
Nov. 17th, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I think we just need a dedicated video cam rather than a DSLR that does both. This is a non/not for profit effort with essentially all volunteer input so I doubt we want to spend more than a few hundred for this device. But this is good for my choices of my next DSLR purchase.

W
piscesdreams
Nov. 17th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC)
Ah. Okay... I thought you wanted a camera that did both and was wondering about your sanity for a moment. ;)

Perhaps look into keeping an eye out for a used one locally once you have narrowed down your choices?
dcl
Nov. 17th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
First question is what kind of video are you talking about?

Next question is budget. ;)
wander
Nov. 17th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
Local stage concert videos. One or two songs at a time. Probably around $300 or less.

W
dcl
Nov. 17th, 2009 08:50 pm (UTC)
I'm a huge fan of Canon camcorders....I've used many over the years and have largely found them to be durable and generally loaded with more features than I'll use.

That being said, in the times I've not been able to find a Canon that fit my needs, Sony also provided me with the same.

I'm still a little old school when it comes to camcorders and am still running around with an old Canon ZR series MiniDV recorder. Tapes are reliable as long as you don't expose them to extreme temps and the like, and if you run to the end of a tape you aren't out of luck like you are with a flash memory recorder for example.

That being said, the quality of a MiniDV tape isn't as close to thenew flash memory, all-digital camcorders. If you want to go with a MiniDV recorder though - I'd recommend any ZR series Canon camcorder. I've had a few, and they've all been excellent...possibly because of their very long service life, at this point.

I think if I were going to do what you describe, though I'd give the Canon FS series a look. The only thing I might worry about is the low light performance, which Canon has listed as a "con" on their own site. All depends on the venue you'll be in, I suppose.

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I'm a huge fan of Canon camcorders....I've used many over the years and have largely found them to be durable and generally loaded with more features than I'll use.

That being said, in the times I've not been able to find a Canon that fit my needs, Sony also provided me with the same.

I'm still a little old school when it comes to camcorders and am still running around with an old Canon ZR series MiniDV recorder. Tapes are reliable as long as you don't expose them to extreme temps and the like, and if you run to the end of a tape you aren't out of luck like you are with a flash memory recorder for example.

That being said, the quality of a MiniDV tape isn't as close to thenew flash memory, all-digital camcorders. If you want to go with a MiniDV recorder though - I'd recommend any ZR series Canon camcorder. I've had a few, and they've all been excellent...possibly because of their very long service life, at this point.

I think if I were going to do what you describe, though I'd give the Canon FS series a look. The only thing I might worry about is the low light performance, which Canon has listed as a "con" on their own site. All depends on the venue you'll be in, I suppose.

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One thing Sony has over Canon, and has for years, is their patented NightShot. It's excellent, but it looks like a night vision headset...green and people have funny looking eyes. Probably not what you want in your concert videos.

Low light performance for me without the use of NightShot has been roughly equivalent between Canon and Sony....very subjective and dependent on the area. Filters help a little on both, but on occasion I've had a rough time finding them in the right size for some of my camcorders.

Even so, I think any of their Memory HandyCams would do:

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I've left off DVD camcorders because personally, I've never had any luck with them. I've had 2 recurring problems with DVD camcorders during the here and there times I've tried them....power consumption issues no matter what kind of battery I buy for them and "bad" DVDs that mysteriously become ruined or unplayable after the camera is done with them.

Hope some of that helps....
dcl
Nov. 17th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
Hm. Sorry about the errors in there, apparently I don't remember how to manually link websites anymore...there doesn't seem to be an edit button available.
wander
Nov. 17th, 2009 09:06 pm (UTC)
We consistently have low light situations. mosty we shoot in bars and taverns with small stages and crowds of people in various stages of intoxication. So I'm thinking the Canon MiniDv might be the way to go.

Thanks,

W
opakele
Nov. 18th, 2009 04:06 am (UTC)
what software will you use to edit your video?

I took a couple of video classes last year. I did enjoy video. the school allowed us to check out cameras. they were canons.

Your project sounds like fun. Let me know when you post something.
wander
Nov. 18th, 2009 03:46 pm (UTC)
I just use iMovie but I suppose once we really get going we might find something more professional. We have a team member who runs a video business and might do the editing for us. This is about rock and roll so I think people expect it to be a little gritty and raw. This is one of the ones I did last week at a Neil Young tribute concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ2nnM-rNoE

W
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